Oh Hai Thar!

Berry Punch · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: Oh Hai Thar!

Sssssooooo.... We found other life kinda sorta... Another planet that can hold life! I'll probably update ghis topic tomorrow or later today with links, paragraphs n the works, can't exactly do that from a phone, still it's rather an interesting topic.

Stealth · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject:

Are you referring to planet Kepler-22b?
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Erwin Rommel · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject:

I assume so.

Unfortunately, we don't know what it is made of. It could be terrestrial like Earth. Even then, it might be like Mars or Venus.
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Stealth · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:49 pm Post subject:

Unfortunately, the planet is 2.5 times bigger than the Earth which also means that should it host life, we can never visit it.

Our bodies would crush under the gravity of our own weight.

WTB a gravity chamber like in DBZ, kthxbai.

But on the positive side, it lies dead on in the habitable zone, something we haven't seen yet, with a temperature of roughly 75 degrees, which allows the ability for water to take all 3 forms.

The problem with the "habitable zone" means that it just lies within a certain distant that can support life. Given the size of the planet, it *can* have an atmosphere. But if it's core is dead as a rock, then it has none and the probability of life being on that planet is near zero. There's other ways it can have an atmosphere, but all of these need to be considered.

Also due to it's size, it may retain more lighter gases which can be poisonous in large quantities.

Mind you, there may be life that can live in a thin oxygen environment and possibly another gas. However, since there are no life on this planet that utilizes other gases to "breathe" (that we know of), this is also slim.
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Erwin Rommel · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject:

There are bacteria that can survive without oxygen, so you could certainly have life. Hell, for a suitable low-oxygen atmosphere we might even be able to send some of our bacteria there. I also find it reasonable that an environment with lots of reactive chemicals could develop analogues of many things occurring on Earth. Our sample size when studying life on planets is 1, so we really can't draw any conclusions at all. (Wouldn't it be awesome if Titan made it 2?)

As for higher creatures, Tube worms do a pretty good job living in a low-oxygen atmosphere. Basically, they hang out near geothermal vents and have symbiotic bacteria that oxidize hydrogen sulfide using the small amount of oxygen in the surroundings. This way the tube worms can "breathe" hydrogen sulfide.
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Berry Punch · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:24 pm Post subject:

And here I was thinking all it supported wad plant life, weither it be great or very little, then see science guys and ufo fanatics going "I FUCKING TOLD YOU!"

Stealth · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject:

Bacteria is another source of life, however. It's a single or near single celled organism that tends to be different than that of the traditional life as we know it.

It can mutate and develop things at an accelerated rate to allow adaptability. But what's interesting is the fact that although there are bacteria that can live in extremely harsh environments, there doesn't appear to be any large based lifeform that shares similar traits.

The closest we've gotten to are fish that can survive the extreme pressures of the sea that would crush a sub.

As for our sample size, you are correct. However, it is the only basis we have to go on. Our comparative nature to that of other planets should be near similar to earth because of the discovered laws.

The laws found on earth will certainly replicate to another planet. H20 will remain a strong bond, whilst the gravity formula should hold true.

For me, life on other planets exist. This doesn't need to be proven as I know that there must be a bacteria with the adaptability to survive space.

But if we find some bacteria on another planet, it doesn't mean much, only that life can exist elsewhere. And when there are trillion of planets, the odds of finding life is likely just playing by the numbers game.

Now finding intelligent life...
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Eugene · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject:

Stealth is right, there has never been a debate of whether or not there was life outside our own planet, the argument is entirely about whether or not there is intelligent life outside our own planet.

As for the question of aliens visiting us, I'll just leave this quote by Carl Sagan:

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Occasionally, I get a letter from someone who is in 'contact' with aliens. I am invited to ask them anything. And over the year's I've prepared a little list of questions. The aliens are very advanced remember. So I ask things like, 'Please provide a short proof of Fermat's Last Theorem'. I write out the simple theorem equation with the exponents. It's a simulating exercise to think of questions to which no human today knows the answers, but where a correct answer would be recognised as such. It's even more challenging to formulate such questions in fields other than mathematics. Perhaps we should hold a contest and collect the best responses in '10 Questions to Ask an Alien'.

Stealth · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:53 am Post subject:

There are three possible scenarios if intelligent life exists.

#1: We find the aliens and we are equally advanced:

We want this. We want this baddddd, but sadly it is unlikely. That would mean two species would have to evolved at roughly the same time, or the events were structured in such a way that they had technology booms.

If we're equal, we most likely won't destroy each other as we'll wish to communicate.

#2: We find the aliens and we are technologically advanced

If this is the case, then the aliens will most likely be exploited. Humanity is cruel and dark and these aliens will be immediately discriminated especially if they're "stupid" and we have to educate them.

Also remember that it took years for mankind to cross the barriers to get to the point where ideas can be shared openly. It's possible their beliefs about the universe is so obscure that they are repressed and close minded if they even got up to this point.

Most likely, the aliens will be exploited in some fashion to make our lives easier.

#3 The aliens find us and they are technologically advanced

This is where we need to shit bricks if this happens.

If another species comes to our planet, then these aliens have intergalactic travel. Which is possible that they've already found more life elsewhere and we have nothing to offer them in terms of our achievements.

They already know the laws of the universe and a shit ton more. They wouldn't speak our language and we would have to show them that we are intelligent through visuals.

They don't understand our math symbols and numbers, they have their own. So showing them Einstein's Theory won't help them.

If we fail to show them that we're not smart or have the ability to be smart, they could very easily just kill us all and farm whatever resource they were looking for in order to replenish what made them leave their planet in the first place.

But if they're intelligent, it's also safe to say they'll exploit the fuck out of us too.
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Eugene · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:33 am Post subject:

Stealth has it right on all accounts. I would like to add, that no matter the scenario due to discrimition the chance of an inter-planetary war is likely in the first scenario, especially the third scenario, and maybe the second option.

BarytaQ · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:23 am Post subject:

The only thing people fail to realize is that aliens are likel to be much more different than we perceive them to b in movies. The new "life forms" could be based upon silicon and have exactly nothing to do with our basis of life. Breathing may have never been something they needed. The sun around their planet could provide a radiation that sustains them. I don't remember who said it, sorry, but we have only one world to go by, even on this world we've found life based on ARSENIC. To us thats poisoned them it's life. We. Don't. Know. Shit.
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Eugene · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject:

I believe that the biggest reason we want the existence of alien life is to show that:

1-We as a planet are not an anomaly
2-If the lifeforms in question are humanoid then it shows that we as humans are not a mistake in evolution.

Basically the human race is that shallow girl at prom who needs everyone to tell her how pretty she is.

2shoes · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject:

but at the end of the night gets a facial
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Stealth · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject:

BarytaQ wrote:

I don't remember who said it, sorry, but we have only one world to go by, even on this world we've found life based on ARSENIC. To us thats poisoned them it's life. We. Don't. Know. Shit.

While although this can be true, it's also to note that it would be odd that the surrounding planets in our own solar system do not support life.

Given, we haven't visited the planets long enough to effectively search, but we should see some type of features that would allow the possibility of life elsewhere. Perhaps life can life on the harsh landscape of Venus without water.

But if life just *suddenly* came to be, why didn't life occur on these other planets as well. They had just as much time to develop, but didn't. Why?

Our planet differs because of water and it seems to be the only link between our planet and how weird it is that every planet we've ever looked at does not have water or nearly the abundance of water that we have.

It cannot be ignored and is why water is often searched elsewhere.

All I can feel it in my bones that there is another civilization on another planet, looking up at the stars going, why the fuck doesn't these other planets have Arsenic Oceans?

So they're looking for Arsenic oceans and will never find us.
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