Terrorist attacks in London

K9 Carlos · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject:

Hmm, a political and religious topic. Think I'll just sit here and drink.

What happened was bad no matter who did it or for what reason or to honor whatever god or to do whatever to whoever. Us sitting here pissing on each other about it doesn't make a bit of difference.

And actually Sprite, there isn't as much of this in the Porch as you would expect. We can't keep a thread on topic for this many pages.
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Jabberwocky · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:

K9 Carlos wrote:

What happened was bad no matter who did it or for what reason .

yeah i disagree with what they did.

massive · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject:

I think we can all agree on one thing:

All our condolences to Britain and Londoners in this time of sorrow.

now to address some issues:

K9 Carlos wrote:

And actually Sprite, there isn't as much of this in the Porch as you would expect. We can't keep a thread on topic for this many pages.

You keep talking about this "topic" thing - no one ever explains it to me...oh well.

Rally Monkey wrote:

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Well, well, well, what do we have here hmm??? I think you're more right in your post than wrong Rally, BUT you really should add "Invasion of Iraq" to the end of this portion.

And here's a quote for all yall

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"...once war has been declared, then all the affairs of the State are at the mercy of the appetites of a few." - Erasmus

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I know Jabber. But they only bring shit.Example, remember Blizny the Mist skinner, he had a discussion about 9/11 on the past Mist forums, got pissed off anf left. Anything good came out of that ? No

Actually, some good did come out of that. Blizny left. Razz

I was getting into the religion topic though. Someone want to sprout a political thread? Havn't seen one in a while Razz

I bet theres a ton in the front porch.

Actually Sprite, on the porch it's pretty much me, Firefox, and sometimes Supa VS everyone else....i tire of it at times...lol
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Rally Monkey · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:

massive wrote:

Actually Sprite, on the porch it's pretty much me, Firefox, and sometimes Supa VS everyone else....i tire of it at times...lol

Heh! We wearing you down Massive
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Rally Monkey · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:41 am Post subject:

Militant Muslims find a haven in 'Londonistan'
Some say Britain overdoing tolerance -- attacks feared
Lynne O'Donnell, Chronicle Foreign Service

Saturday, July 24, 2004

London -- "Osama bin Laden is a good man. Osama bin Laden wants the same as me -- he wants to see the implementation of God's law," says Khalid Kelly as he sips coffee in a sun-filled London cafe and expounds on his allegiance to the man who has declared war on the West.

Kelly, an Irishman, converted to Islam two years ago while imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for distilling and selling alcohol. Since then, he has become the public face of the tiny London-based organization called Al-Muhajiroun. The radical organization is led by Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has long been linked to bin Laden's International Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders.

The presence of militants like Bakri has earned the British capital the sobriquet "Londonistan" among diplomats and terrorism experts, who see London as a worldwide center of Islamic terrorism...
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Wonder how London feels about tolerance for Militant Muslims now?
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Daedalus · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:50 am Post subject:

made me wanna watch team america too anon, sucks though, cowardly and dumb.

SupaFly · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:03 am Post subject:

Rally Monkey wrote:

Militant Muslims find a haven in 'Londonistan'
Some say Britain overdoing tolerance -- attacks feared
Lynne O'Donnell, Chronicle Foreign Service

Saturday, July 24, 2004

London -- "Osama bin Laden is a good man. Osama bin Laden wants the same as me -- he wants to see the implementation of God's law," says Khalid Kelly as he sips coffee in a sun-filled London cafe and expounds on his allegiance to the man who has declared war on the West.

Kelly, an Irishman, converted to Islam two years ago while imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for distilling and selling alcohol. Since then, he has become the public face of the tiny London-based organization called Al-Muhajiroun. The radical organization is led by Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has long been linked to bin Laden's International Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders.

The presence of militants like Bakri has earned the British capital the sobriquet "Londonistan" among diplomats and terrorism experts, who see London as a worldwide center of Islamic terrorism...
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Wonder how London feels about tolerance for Militant Muslims now?

thaks for proving everyones point tho, i dun see where it says mainstream

and hes fuckin irish, theyre reeeeeeeeeal mainstream (how can a place that fucking small have warring militant groups???"???)
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Cpt. LandLubber · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:16 am Post subject:

Wouldn't have surprised me if those behind the bombs were really those crazy radicals/communists/anarchist gathering in Scotland in stead. I don't like them.
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2shoes · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:43 am Post subject:

cool i had no idea that ireland was mecca
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Rally Monkey · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:17 am Post subject:

SupaFly wrote:

Rally Monkey wrote:

Militant Muslims find a haven in 'Londonistan'
Some say Britain overdoing tolerance -- attacks feared
Lynne O'Donnell, Chronicle Foreign Service

Saturday, July 24, 2004

London -- "Osama bin Laden is a good man. Osama bin Laden wants the same as me -- he wants to see the implementation of God's law," says Khalid Kelly as he sips coffee in a sun-filled London cafe and expounds on his allegiance to the man who has declared war on the West.

Kelly, an Irishman, converted to Islam two years ago while imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for distilling and selling alcohol. Since then, he has become the public face of the tiny London-based organization called Al-Muhajiroun. The radical organization is led by Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has long been linked to bin Laden's International Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders.

The presence of militants like Bakri has earned the British capital the sobriquet "Londonistan" among diplomats and terrorism experts, who see London as a worldwide center of Islamic terrorism...
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Wonder how London feels about tolerance for Militant Muslims now?

thaks for proving everyones point tho, i dun see where it says mainstream

and hes fuckin irish, theyre reeeeeeeeeal mainstream (how can a place that fucking small have warring militant groups???"???)

LOL supa just because they are called militant by our leaders doesn't mean they are not mainstream. It just might be politically incorrect to do so. There has been an ongoing war for over a thousand years the Crusades were just battles in that war...
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Rally Monkey · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:06 am Post subject:

Victor Davis Hansen

July 08, 2005, 8:11 a.m.
The Same Old, Same Old . . .
An anatomy of the London bombing.

The British may react very differently than the Spanish did after Madrid � by doing nothing rather than by retreating from Iraq.

In the corrupt West these days, that is something.
We all know the score of this war now in the near four years since September 11. The London bombings should remind us how the old tired game works.
Causes
Failed states in the Middle East � autocratic, statist, unfree, intolerant of women and other religions � blame the West for their self-inflicted miseries. Sometimes they are theocratic, like the late Taliban or the current Iranian mullahs. But more often they are dictatorial like the Syrians, Pakistanis, Saudis, or Egyptians, who all, in varying degrees and in lieu of reform, have come to accommodations with the terrorists to shift popular anguish onto the West and the Jews.
That is the Petri dish of Islamic fascism, an evil that will only disappear when the dictatorships that allow it or nourish it do as well. Whether the jihadists are in Iraq, the United States, or Europe, they all share a sick notion that someone else (the decadent Western oppressor and unbeliever) is responsible for their own poverty and backwardness rather than the fundamentalism, corruption, bias, and intolerance endemic to the Middle East.

Propaganda
In WWII we didn�t care much whether in fighting Bushido some thought we were in a war against Buddhists. We weren�t, and that was enough.

We knew the enemy were Nazis, not simply Germans, and didn�t froth and whine to prove that distinction.
But not now.
To criticize Islamic fascism is supposedly to be unfair to Islam, so we allow on our own shores mullahs and madrassas to spread hatred and intolerance, as part of our illiberal acceptance of �not offending Islam.�
It is not that we don�t believe in Western values as much as we don�t even know what they are anymore. The London bombings were only a reification of what goes on daily with impunity blocks away in the mosques and Islamist schools of London.

The enemy knows that and thrives on it. That refuge in religion is why imams shout that �Islam doesn�t condone such things� � even as bin Laden has become a folk hero on the Arab Street. Jihadists sense that even here at home more Americans are more concerned about a flushed Koran at Guantanamo Bay than five Americans fighting for the Iraqi jihadists or Taliban sympathizers in Lodi, California.

As long as there is not any price to be paid for Islamism, either by governments abroad or purveyors of its hatred in the West, the propaganda works and the killing will go on. But when a renegade Saudi Prince, Pakistani general, London imam, or Lodi mosque leader screams out to the jihadist, �Stop that before those crazy Americans really do go to war,� the war, in fact, will be over and won.
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I don't hear the leaders of any Muslim country voicing outrage. Their silence is tacit support for terrorism. Islam is and always has been a religion of the sword...

Not Christians, Not Jews, Not Hindus, Not Buddhists, but Muslims are committing these acts of terrorism, it's muslims and sorry but it isn't just fringe muslims either... I certainly don't see children's shows on US TV portraying Crusaders, but on Palestinian TV there's a children's cartoon about a kids growing up to be suicide bombers (how much more mainstream can you get?). On a 20/20 show they showed clips of this cartoon.

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If you don't want debate on politics/religion then don't start threads like this. If you do want debate I'm happy to engage Laughing

when I see these threads started. To me, the free exchange of ideas isn't upsetting at all. Open debate is one way we learn. I don't take anyone's contrary opinions personally, however I'll not back down from my positions either.
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Cap'n Sprite · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:13 am Post subject:

Rally I don't have a problem if you discuss politics, but in a separate thread.This was about the condolonces to the people in london and the bombing in Londond, not about the religions of the muslims ,alah yada yada.
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Rally Monkey · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:18 am Post subject:

Cap'n Sprite wrote:

Rally I don't have a problem if you discuss politics, but in a separate thread.This was about the condolonces to the people in london and the bombing in Londond, not about the religions of the muslims ,alah yada yada.

Not it was't Sprite it was about terrorist attacks in London. We certainly as group were NOT sending condolences to the people of London. There was anger expressed at the terrorists, well who ARE these terrorists? What do they believe? What are their goals? See above
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2shoes · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:41 am Post subject:

Rally Monkey wrote:

Jabberwocky wrote:

eh it'd be better if the terrorrists would do some meaningfull attacks, instead of just trying to get a rise out of everyone by killing the innocents.

And what would be better about it?

The various Caliphates use the mullahs to blame the west for their own failings so the anger of their people is diverted to freedom loving democracies instead of to those same rulers of the Mideast who are most responsible for their own citizens living in abject poverty. "Let's blame the west for all our problems, while our people live in misery and poverty and we live in palaces."

Attacks like this only serve to remind those of the "Blame America 1st Crowd" that terrorists kill without regard to your political beliefs. It's NOT the Jews, Christians, or Hindus that are blowing-up innocents... It's Muslims, encouraged by Mullahs, and supported by countries like Syria, Sudan, Egypt, Iran. Oh and BTW these guys are the NOT fringe lunatics of this religion they are following base mainstream commandments in the Koran.

this was about what was going on and you are the one that went to religion just like every other fucking time rush monkey so as i have stated before we like to stay off of these subjects so please quite fucking making it a christianity did this and islam does that debate every goddamn time i am so glad i have you rush monkey to be my personal intel group love how you know its goddamned middle easterners that did this for all we know it could be any number of groups

one question have you even been in the middle east i was treated with respect and dignity while there and even had a meal with a prince and his jah father

rally seriously after long thought go fuck yourself k i am gonna do what i do to most morons and not tune into your station any more
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firefox_71 · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:58 am Post subject:

Where are you getting these revisionist history lessons from Rally?

Free Republic? Drudge Report? Wherever it is, they don't have the slightest clue. Rolling Eyes

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